Template talk:Expert-subject

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Template:Expert-subject is permanently protected from editing, as it is a heavily used or visible template. Substantial changes should be proposed here, and made by administrators if the proposal is uncontroversial, or has been discussed and is supported by consensus. Use {{editprotected}} to attract the attention of an administrator in such cases. Any contributor may edit the template's documentation to add usage notes, categories or interwiki links.

[edit] possible subject

This template direly needs a link to the possible subjects that can be used as variables. Some time searching and I still haven't found them. MadMaxDog 06:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Any wikiproject can be used. :) --Brad Beattie (talk) 07:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

And the list of WikiProjects is already linked from the documentation subpage, which is not protected and can be reworded if you don't find the current version helpful. - BanyanTree 12:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This template should be placed the talk page

I think that editorial comments like this should not be placed on the article page but on the talk page, after all discussion of editorial issues is why we have talk pages. (See Wikipedia talk:Template standardisation/article#Most maintenance templates should be placed on the talk page --Philip Baird Shearer 10:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add date

Please allow the dating of templates, in a syntax similar to the cleanup tag. I'd be happy to help, if needed, although I lack admin access. MrZaius^talk 21:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

 #if:{{{1|}}}|<br />This article has been tagged since '''{{{1}}}'''

[edit] CFD follow-up

Following up from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 23#Pages needing expert attention subcategories, a modification to this template is needed. At present the template includes:

<includeonly>[[Category:Pages needing expert attention from {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} experts]]</includeonly>

This should be changed to:

<includeonly>[[Category:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} articles needing expert attention]]</includeonly>

Just in case my template skillz aren't quite as l33t as they should be, {{Expert-subject|Canada}} would currently categorise the page into Category:Pages needing expert attention from Canada experts. This should instead be Category:Canada articles needing expert attention. Hope that makes sense. Thanks in advance, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Y Done. I've also (or am doing now) fixing the categories. Harryboyles 09:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protected Edit request date=June 2007

{{EditProtected}} Template:Expert-subject (edit talk links history) Please make the verbatum substitution to enable display of the "issue" in the template:

• Change from:

"If a more appropriate WikiProject or portal exists, please adjust this template accordingly. </div>"

• To the expanded construct within the div block:

"If a more appropriate WikiProject or portal exists, please adjust this template accordingly. {{#if:{{{2|}}}|<br><hr>{{{2}}}|''please use <nowiki>{{{2}}}</nowiki> to give a brief synopsis of the change you deem needed to this page.}}{{#if: {{{date|}}} |

::::since {{{date}}} }}</div>"

• • Note, the inner nowiki nested about the {2} parameter will be necessary in the pasted in change, but I've written this so you can just cut and paste both the if-then-else statements between the period and </div> (just as displayed above on the HTML page).

As a check, Talk:Type site should then display properly.

Change 2 request

• I'm somewhat surprised this isn't already present... this should probably have the date stamp parameter 'date' inserted as well. Add that before the div as shown above including the line feed before the string of colons for intenting the result. This is modeled on templates such as {{merge}} (stolen from actually! <g>) and will provide a corpus of predate stamped pages should the expert pages ever be auto-sorted by date-stamped category names. I'll leave the doc page fixup to your imagination and conscience! <g> IMHO, irregardless, having "date= ..." inside any administrative template occurrence is an aid to evaluating whether it's stale and can be cleared, whether one needs to perhaps remind a project about it, etc.

Again, as a check, Talk:Type site should then display properly.

Thanks // FrankB 14:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I think there would be objection to the synopsis appearing on the actual page, as tags generally direct users to the talk page for further discussion. (This template is meant to be used on articles for attracting attention first.) –Pomte 22:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

As long as we're tinkering with this template, is there any practical reason at all why the text reading "[[Wikipedia:WikiProject {{{1}}}|WikiProject {{{1}}}]] may be able to help recruit one" couldn't be set not to render when a WP isn't specified? That would completely negate the need for Template:Expert and allow for this template to be moved there or that template to redirect here. MrZaius^talk 14:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Expert makes it easy to identify which tags haven't been specified, without the need for an extra maintenance category. This was supposedly the work of Wikipedia:WikiProject Expert Request Sorting. –Pomte 23:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Both this template and the old expert template drag in a category: The template as is uses [[Category:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} articles needing expert attention]] and the old template drags in Category:Pages needing expert attention. The extra category's already there, so it wouldn't be duplicating things, and would give a master location at the combined template's Whatlinkshere from which all expert requests could be accessed, if someone were wanting to just pick a couple at random. Combined with the added simplicity of maintaining and promoting just one template, it seems like a win-win to me. Note that, if this isn't done, the date fix would be useful on Template:Expert as well. MrZaius^talk 17:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Do any of the changes suggested in this section have consensus? --ais523 16:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't seem to be any objections to adding the date. MrZaius^talk 17:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems reasonable, but I'll leave this open a while just in case. --ais523 17:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. The usage still needs to be updated, and the actual category pages need to be created. Cheers. --MZMcBride 18:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editprotected

I wish the template to contain a talk page link. It would be appropriate to always let the usage of this template to be accompanying note on the talk page on exactly what scientific topic' that is related to badly in the article. This should help a great deal when asking an expert to give an opinion. Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 08:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to do that, keep in mind that some of us have been under the (apparently mistaken?) impression that this template was a talk page template - Might want conditional language to not display the talk link when printing on talk namespace.

Other points still outstanding from above wish-list:

• conditional language that makes this work without a WP specified, instead of rendering an explicit {{{1}}} on the screen - cat to the cat used by template:expert when missing an args (possibly controversial, but could make expert requests much simpler for the end user, allowing for this template to be moved over the obsolete template)
• cleanup of displayed text?
• text calling for date to be inserted ala other cleanup templates Mostly fixed MrZaius^talk 15:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

MrZaius^talk 13:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• bump - Any comments on merging back expert-subject to here? There's little to no reason to maintain two separate templates. MrZaius^talk 10:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] edit request

{{editprotected}} "Usage: Add the name of WikiProject after the vertical bar", right?

While the template itself is protected, the template's documentation sub-page (located at Template:Expert-subject/doc) is not protected. You should be able to edit that freely (this sort of situation is, if I understand correctly, exactly why we started making /doc pages for protected templates). That does sound like a good change, but you should get the credit for it yourself, no? ;) – Luna Santin (talk) 02:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, please add new posts at the end of the talk page in a new section. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs "article/section" parameter

Currently, this template simply says "This article or section", and doesn't allow you to select one or the other, as many (most?) other templates here do. Can someone add this to the template? Maybe as an optional 2nd parameter (e.g., {{expert-subject|doohickies|section}}. +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. Rich Farmbrough, 10:18 25 September 2007 (GMT).

[edit] Multiple WikiProjects; talk page link; ...

At European Cooperative Society I wanted to insert an 'in need of attention from an expert' box, but couldn't get the {{Expert-subject}} template to do what I needed. The article is relevant to at least two WikiProjects - I picked the most relevant two in my opinion and designed the following box based on {{Expert}} and {{Expert-subject}} which refers to both WikiProjects and Portals. Apologies for just doing it in the article; there aren't any conditional templating statements in the box's code since I don't really understand them yet:

This article is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. Please help recruit one or improve this article yourself. See the talk page for details. WikiProjects Law or Cooperatives or the Law or Cooperatives Portals may be able to help. This article has been tagged since January 2008.

I took the opportunity to include the text "Please help recruit one or improve this article yourself. See the talk page for details" from {{Expert}}, and decided not to include "If a more appropriate WikiProject or portal exists, please adjust this template accordingly", to save space and reduce clutter. So, following on from MrZaius' comments above:

• Would it be a good idea to change {{Expert-subject}} to allow boxes to refer to two or more WikiProjects, or none?

• How about a default setting, or an option, to include "Please help recruit one" and/or "or improve this article yourself." and/or "See the talk page for details."?

• The line mentioning the WikiProject(s) would have to be changed to include "recruit one" at the end, if the previous line "Please help recruit one..." isn't included, or if it is included, to leave "recruit one" out.

• How about an option not to include "If a more appropriate WikiProject exists..."?

-- Djmackenzie (talk) 22:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC), revised at 11:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I definitely think there should be an option to include multiple Wikiprojects/Portals - I've just seen this version of Pleasure, and it seems clear that sometimes there is more than one relevant Wikiproject/Portal, and so the option to have more than one in the same template would be a welcome addition for me.

Drum guy (talk) 17:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

As most of the text would have to change to the plural to fit the multiple Wikiprojects/Portals, it might be easier to make a new template (e.g. {{expert-subject-multiple}}). It might be possible (and desirable) to make the text displayed in the template change if there are multiple Wikiprojects/Portals but (I'm speaking with no experience) I guess this would probably be quite hard/complex to code. Gracias, Drum guy (talk) 17:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

If only the change to being able to add multiple Wikiprojects was made, the template may look something like this:

This article or section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. Wikiprojects Psychology, Philosophy or Neuroscience, or the Psychology, Philosophy or Neuroscience Portals may be able to help recruit one. If more appropriate WikiProjects or portals exist, please adjust this template accordingly.

Thanks, Drum guy (talk) 17:33, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

This wouldn't be hard to put together. The only question is how many WikiProjects should it allow for? I'll put together a mock up. Adam McCormick (talk) 19:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a mockup at {{expert-subject-multiple}} that will allow for five projects in a two-column bulleted list. Let me know if you'd rather have some other format. Adam McCormick (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

On a general design note, wouldn't you want the maximum number of entries to be divisible by the number of columns? If you max out a 2 column list with 5 entries, you have a 3 entry list next to a two entry list. Seems a touch odd. MrZaius^talk 03:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It's easy to change, I actually set it to 5 before the columns were chosen. It can be changed to suit though. Adam McCormick (talk) 08:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:SELF

Forgive my ignorance if this has already been addressed, but this template appears to violate Wikipedia:Self-references to avoid by refering to WikiProjects. I have two possible remedies: limit use of this template to talk pages only, or remove the references in the template but still allow the articles to be categorized as such. Thoughts? --12 Noon ^2¢ 05:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this falls under the third big bullet of this section, Templates like this one serve a necessary purpose just like references to WP:NPOV. It's my opinion that this is one of those allowable but not desirable examples where it is best not to remove the reference. Adam McCormick (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] multiple subjects?

there's a page with 4 of these tags for different subjects....is there a way to combine them?! ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 22:06, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Recently created (see above): {{expert-subject-multiple}} --87.154.18.30 (talk) 23:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editprotected

{{editprotected}} The target for the "portal" link in this template should be changed to Portal:Contents/Portals; Portal:Portals redirects there. GreenReaper (talk) 06:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Soxred 93 17:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Date

{{editprotected}}

Replace

accordingly.<small>

With

accordingly. <small>

Gary King (talk) 08:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Small description

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This template should have a small description, similar to other templates. To do this, find the following:

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}]] {{#ifexist:Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|or the [[Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} Portal]]|}} may be able to help recruit one.<br />
If a more appropriate [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]] or [[Portal:Contents/Portals|portal]] exists, please adjust this template accordingly. <small>{{#if:{{{date|}}}|(''{{{date}}}'')}}</small>

With:

<small>[[Wikipedia:WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}]] {{#ifexist:Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|or the [[Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} Portal]]|}} may be able to help recruit one. If a more appropriate [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|WikiProject]] or [[Portal:Contents/Portals|portal]] exists, please adjust this template accordingly. {{#if:{{{date|}}}|''({{{date}}})''}}</small>

And you're done! Gary King (talk) 04:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 15:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Both lines should be on the same line

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This template currently has two lines, which stretches the box vertically unnecessarily. They should both be placed on the same line since they are related, and to make it easier to follow along when reading. Find:

one.<br />
If

And replace it with:

one. If

And you're done. Gary King (talk) 19:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Style edits

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I've made some tweaks to the wording and layout to match similar templates. Code is available at the new sandbox. Just needs synced. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Y Done The Helpful One 21:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why the separate template?

I would like to reiterate that this template should not exist. There is no reason at all that its argument couldn't be fed to a more flexible Template:Expand which, essentially, would just be this template's code w/a single line of error handling to print the Template:Expand text when no WP is specified. The current system is a good deal more complicated than need be. MrZaius^talk 01:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate categories for WP:FILM

This template is currently populating three categories for WP:FILM, but it should be desirable to have only one. I've listed the duplicates at CfD (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 January 24#Category:Films articles needing expert attention), but perhaps someone more familiar with this template can be of help? PC78 (talk) 12:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] lack of first parameter

Sometimes, this template is used without providing any un-named parameters. When one isn't provided, it looks horrible. I suggest replacing

[[Wikipedia:WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}]] {{#ifexist:Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|or the [[Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} Portal]]|}} may be able to help recruit one.

with

{{#if:{{{1|}}}|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|WikiProject {{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}]] {{#ifexist:Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|or the [[Portal:{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}}|{{ucfirst:{{{1}}}}} Portal]]|}} may be able to help recruit one.}}

Of course, I couldn't make this change - would an admin do it for me? Timeroot (talk) 02:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

Is their a way to view how many articles have use this template? I mean for templates like Stub you can just click on the category, but how do you view all articles, portals...etc that have use a specific template

like Wikipedia templates and Navbox templates...etc --75.154.186.241 (talk) 01:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The 'what links here' link, which is usually in the toolbox on the left, is probably what you want. I count 2493 in total. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 20:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] When is this template preferable to Template:Expert-talk?

This template creates widespread potential for abuse. There are no criteria for adding the template and thus no basis for knowing when it is time to remove the template. It provides yet another reason for POV warriors and trolls to clutter articles with template spam, and yields no remedy to editors wishing to resolve the issue. If a dispute template is going to be so biased in favor of addition and against removal, then it should only be added to the talk page, which is what template:expert-talk does. Needless to say, the very concept of the template is problematic per WP:EXPERT, which was resounding rejected by the community. We have (by design, at this point) no way of verifying expert credentials, so it seems pointless to call for an expert. Any productive use of this template could be garnered by the talk page version or simply leaving notes on the associated WikiProjects. Savidan 23:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

More troubling to me is that the template refers to "WikiProjects", which are social constructions which shouldn't have any mention on articlespace. I'm normally opposed to calls to move templates off articlespace and onto talk but in this case I think that's exactly the right call. Worth pointing out that if this template is deprecated in favour of {{expert-talk}} then it'll need removed from {{articleissues}} as well. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)