Template talk:Redirect

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Contents 1 first talk 2 Redirect2 3 Interwiki to Vietnamese Wikipedia 4 Proposals for bold 5 Shouldn't {{otheruses}} generally be used instead? 6 Automatic brackets for {{{3}}}? 7 Italics 8 Request for adding interwiki 9 Request for a new Redirect 10 Curly quotes 11 Add default "other uses" 12 TfD notice 13 Simple "X redirects here" template? 14 I have a need 15 Redirect7? 16 Redirect5? 17 Additional attributes 18 Class or ID for first parameter 19 Simple redirect 20 Grammar: change "..redirects here. For.." to "..redirects here; for.." 21 Interwiki to Persian wikipedia

[edit] first talk

I'm not sure that the wording of this is as good as it could be. I don't have a concrete alternative to suggest, but I'd be interested in ideas. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:40, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

See Template:SilentRedirect for alternate wording. I used this wording on the CVS page. Feel free to copy the wording from that page if you think it's better. 128.100.3.15 15:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Current formatting/use:

Enclosure redirects here. For other uses, see Enclosure (disambiguation).

Reads like the usual disambiguation wording, so I'd keep it. Personally, I would take out the bolding. template:otheruses doesn't use bolding either. Some wikify the term being redirected from, maybe this template should do that as well. -- User:Docu

I guess the thing I don't like is that it presumes that the reader -- not necessarily a Wikipedian -- understands what we mean by "redirects". -- Jmabel | Talk 03:55, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

"it" = the template/wording/linking of "Enclosure"/bolding ? -- Maybe it's more likely one finds out if the initial term is linked (I wonder where I read that this should be done?). -- User:Docu

I agree with Jmabel | Talk above. The bit about redirecting is awkward, and confusing to people who don't understand the internal workings. I would change the template to just be the For other uses.... part. --RoySmith 12:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

No, that doesn't work. The problem is that the term that redirects may be entirely linguistically unrelated to the title of the article. Maybe "You may have reached this page by looking for {{{1}}}. For other uses..." -- Jmabel | Talk 23:01, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect2

Just made {{redirect2}} for those phrases/acronyms with multiple capitalization that mean the same thing. Prorably a rare occurance, but needed for United Nations —Fitch 07:43, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Please add {{redirect2}} as a See Also via noinclude tag -- Zondor 15:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC) As well as {{SilentRedirect}} -- Zondor 15:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Done - Jmabel | Talk 07:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interwiki to Vietnamese Wikipedia

Please make an interwiki link to Tiêu bản:Redisambig at the Vietnamese Wikipedia (vi:). Thanks. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 08:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Done - Jmabel | Talk 07:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposals for bold

Hey admins! I like the bolding the reference to the redirected term. It tells the reader that the redirected term is roughly synonymous with the article's title.

Current (as of 02:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC))

:<span class="dablink">'' "{{{1}}}" redirects here. For other uses, see [[{{{1}}} (disambiguation)]].''</span>

with the result…

"Pigeon" redirects here. For other uses, see Pigeon (disambiguation).

Proposal A:

:<span class="dablink">'' '''"{{{1}}}"''' redirects here. For other uses, see [[{{{1}}} (disambiguation)]].''</span>

with the result…

"Pigeon" redirects here. For other uses, see Pigeon (disambiguation).

Proposal B, which links back to the redirected term:

:<span class="dablink noprint plainlinksneverexpand">'' '''"[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{{1}}}|redirect=no}} {{{1}}}]"''' redirects here. For other uses, see [[{{{1}}} (disambiguation)]].''</span>

with the result…

"Pigeon" redirects here. For other uses, see Pigeon (disambiguation).

What do you think?--Mark Adler (Markles) 02:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Since only one person has proposed this, and there seems to have been no endorsement, I'm leaving things as they are for the moment. I have no objection to this if a consensus develops. - Jmabel | Talk 07:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Support proposal A. There's no need for the link because it's just going to go right back to the page. Also, when someone gets to an article via a redirect, the ("redirected from XXX") message is available too. howcheng {chat} 20:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Done. I guess if there is dissension we will hear about it soon. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey, can someone please change it back? I think it looked better the old way. --Khoikhoi 06:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That makes it 2-1 (I myself have no opinion). - Jmabel | Talk 02:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion the boldface draws too much attention to the redirect. Non-bold is better. Hairy Dude 17:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't {{otheruses}} generally be used instead?

Shouldn't {{otheruses}} generally be used instead? "'Term' redirects here" is usually not needed, right? ··gracefool |☺ 21:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Usually, {{otheruses}} is preferred. {{redirect}} is for the case where the disambiguation is not for the main article title, but for something that redirects to the main article title. - Jmabel | Talk 05:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic brackets for {{{3}}}?

Currently, the third parameter is not automatically put in brackets, as with every similar template. This is a Bad Thing. Does anyone object to changing this to automatically add brackets, given that I'm willing to convert all the errors that would thus be created (it's not that many pages)? We really should be consistent with syntax. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. If I recall correctly, there is at least one other template that does not use the automatic brackets and I was modeling after it instead. I can't for the life of me recall which one it was, but if you can clean up all the side-effects in a timely manner, please feel free to change this and all similar templates to automatic-bracket mode. — May. 15, '06 [05:47] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Okay, I'm going to get started. I think there are about 60 pages that use the third parameter. Qatter 13:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that's an underestimate. Anyway, I've been going down the list, and have checked all the articles up to Saiga Antelope. Qatter 14:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. Qatter 17:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italics

Where'd the italics go? Can we bring them back? ({{editprotected}}) - Regards, PhilipR 18:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Bypass your cache. —Mets501 (talk) 03:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for adding interwiki

fr:Modèle:Redirect, please :) ? 16@r 10:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. - Jmabel | Talk 20:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for a new Redirect

Currently, Template:Redirect can take in one variable or three, but not two. On more than one occasion I have wanted to use a template that simply takes in two variables, X and Y, and outputs something that looks like:

X redirects here. For other uses, see Y

Could this form be added? —Tokek 11:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

{{Redirect|Foo|other uses|Bar}} produces:

... so I don't think we really need to modify the template for this rare case. - Jmabel | Talk 20:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think at all that such instances are rare. Instead, perhaps usage where the one variable form would be apt is less common. Although as you say, there is always a more manual method available for these templates. —Tokek 12:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

This is rather close: {{This|USE|PAGE}}. It produces: "This article is about USE. For other uses, see PAGE."—Tokek 15:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

This does the it: {{Redirect|X||Y}}. Note the empty 2nd parameter. —Tokek (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Curly quotes

Can we please change the straight quote marks " to curly quote marks “ ” in all of the redirect templates? This is a minor thing but the two punctuation marks have distinct uses and will make the template look more professional. Max Naylor 16:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Y Done —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-10 23:44Z

I diagree. Because they are italicized, it looks very different and not so professional. They are the same unitalicized. The difference is between quotations and measurements (e.g., 6' 8") " " vs. “ ” Reywas92^Talk 15:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Not so professional? Name one professional publication that does not use curly quotes. Ever typed something up in MS Word? You'll notice that it automatically changes your straight quotes into the right curly quotes. Curly quotes are by definition more professional. SergioGeorgini (talk) 11:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Please change "curly quotes" (“) to regular quote marks ("). Badagnani 01:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with both of the above. ASCII quotes are more in keeping with normal Wikipedia style, and curly quotes actually look worse than ASCII quotes when italicized. Changed as requested. Alas, this is going to result in a lot of re-rendering, but if not now, when? -- The Anome 12:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I think they should be curly quotes -- they're simply a part of proper typography. SergioGeorgini (talk) 23:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Add default "other uses"

Please change:

{{{2|other uses}}}

(etc.) to:

{{#if: {{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|other uses}}

(etc.) which is what {{otheruses4}} does. This allows an empty argument (e.g. {{redirect|foo||Foo (disambiguation)}}) to be changed to "other uses", which is IMO slightly more transparent than using numbered arguments (like {{redirect|foo|3=Foo (disambiguation)}}). Hairy Dude 17:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Y Done. --ais523 08:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD notice

I've nominated the Otheruses templates for discussion on Wikipedia:Templates for deletion. --JB Adder | Talk 14:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simple "X redirects here" template?

Is there not an option to have a simple "X redirects here" template, without any extra text after it? I can't find this option among the ones offered here. See my section redirect hatnotes on 20th Century Fox at Fox Film and 20th Century Pictures, for what I'm talking about. I've written those hatnotes out by hand, but would like to use a redirect template instead. Carcharoth 11:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Redirect/doc talks about a Template:Redirectstohere; is that what you were looking for? --DocumentN (talk) 01:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, revised answer: It's probably better to include that text as a comment, since it's mainly of interest to people editing the page. See also Help:Section#Section linking and redirects. --DocumentN (talk) 17:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I have a need

I need a redirect template that results in:

"HP3" redirects here. For the Ilford photographic film, see Ilford HP. For the postal district for Hemel Hempstead, see HP postcode area.

...for the top of the Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, and similarly for the top of the Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix article (for HP5). The redirects themselves have been reverted backwards and forwards between redirects and disambig pages, and this seems to be the best compromise. And I don't know how to create that for myself! -- Roleplayer (talk) 00:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The same is also needed at HP1 and HP2 (both of which redirect to Harry Potter topics). -- Roleplayer (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect7?

Hi, I notice that template Redirect2 allows a Redirect1 and Redirect2 to identify two incoming redirects to the same article, but doesn't allow a use field to point to a disambiguated article. I'm no expert, so could someone create a template that gives {{Redirect7|REDIRECT1|REDIRECT2|USE|PAGE}}, thus: "REDIRECT1" and "REDIRECT2" redirect here. For USE, see PAGE. In other words, on the article Leasehold estate, I would like a template that can give the wording "Tenant" and "Tenancy" redirect here. For the Roman Polanski movie, see The Tenant. Or am I missing something and another template could do this? Cheers, DWaterson (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect5?

I see that the documentation provides an example of a {{Redirect5|REDIRECT|USE1|PAGE1|USE2|PAGE2}}, but Template:redirect5 is just a redirect to Template:redirect, which doesn’t support multiple uses. How would one produce: “REDIRECT redirects here. For USE1, see PAGE1. For USE2, see PAGE2”? 69.140.152.55 (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I also have this question while adding a redirect message about Lambo in Lamborghini, telling users to find the Reborn! character Lambo please check Lambo (Reborn!), to find Anna Vissi's 14th album please check Lambo (Anna Vissi album), using {{Redirect5|Lambo|the Reborn! character|Lambo (Reborn!)|Anna Vissi's 14th album|Lambo (Anna Vissi album)}}. The result is the same as {{Redirect5|Lambo|the Reborn! character|Lambo (Reborn!)}}. Hope administrators can solve this crucial problem. --RekishiEJ (talk) 05:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additional attributes

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See the new sandbox. This version takes up to 7 parameters to cover additional "for ... see" pairs. This fixes some of the issues described in comments above, and should make no difference to existing deployments. Just needs synced. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:42, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Y Done Ruslik (talk) 11:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Class or ID for first parameter

For those who have a modified view of this template via modifications to personal /monobook.css skins, could somebody please put a class or an ID (I've heard ID is better) around the first parameter? I would really like to bold it in my skin, and yet nobody else will see it obligatorily. For more questions, feel free to leave me a message. Thanks! obentomusubi 10:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

IDs have to be unique, while hatnotes don't. It'd need to be a class, probably. Changing the first part of the sentence to read:

{{dablink|"<span class="target-page">{{{1}}}</span>" redirects here.

should work. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Simple redirect

I want to spotlight that Kitemark redirects to British standards, at the head of the latter article. This is necessary to explain the otherwise peculiar bolding of "kitemark" in the lead. None of the redirect templates seem to work in the way I want, which is simply to state:

Kitemark redirects here.

Anyone? --Dweller (talk) 16:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Try {{Redirect10|Kitemark}}. It's brand new :) Big Bird (talk • contribs) 18:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Splendid! I'll try it later. Many thanks --Dweller (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar: change "..redirects here. For.." to "..redirects here; for.."

The form:

• X redirects here. For other uses, see X (dis)

is problematic as it splits two concepts that belong in the same sentence. The period (.) is best used when separating concepts or breaking up run-on sentences, not to split short statements into terse expressions. The semicolon (;) serves the purpose of indicating a grammatical stop with a logical continuation, and would be a good solution:

• X redirects here; for other uses, see X (dis)

Most will agree that the semicolon is more accurate. But I do agree with some people that they are ugly, and in particular in contexts like this where the text is prominent, short, and reproduced over hundreds thousands millions of articles. So maybe a semicolon is not the way to go. -Stevertigo 22:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

PS: An emdash would be good sustitute for the semicolon, as its used the same way, but most current typewriters don't have them, and the usage of two dashes (--) is ugly. I forgot the coding for that though: %emdash; $m-dash: <&m-dash>.. Erm:

• X redirects here --for other uses, see X (dis) -SV

[edit] Interwiki to Persian wikipedia

[[fa:الگو:تغییر مسیر]]

Thank you. --Wayiran (talk) 10:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)